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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:05 pm

Kevin,

No, I did not. Haven't distilled Alcohol before and as not properly equipped, just decided to use it anyway. The Proof seemed effective, the mercury is quite oily.

Currently I am leeching the salt of salt, again. I'm hoping it will clean it up further. As I re-read notes, it becomes clearer many steps could have been approached differently. There seems variations in methods, and I find unless one is a great note taker and reference noter, methods can get confused.

The above point further underscores the need for a Forum such as this. We are all seeking answers on our own, hoping to find clarification through research but only hands-on experience can show us. We are a classroom and need to guide each other, or I fear we may seek in too many directions.

Many have theories and opinion but few reveal results. It can cause the doorway to become very, very small.


ps, the little one is bountiful and beautiful,
thx
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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:32 pm

I took the salt of salt, and gave it another digestion, filter and distill.
But it did not lighten (maybe another calcination needed?)
and it 's amount did shrink but it seems purer.
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so... going to give it some thought
remembering I didn't really do the process in correct steps, just trying to salvage experience at least.

scratch

Happy Thanksgiving American Brethren

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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:58 pm

Kirk,

Yes I'm quite certain that you need to calcine again. The volume as you know will decrease substantially, that's why you need so much raw material to start with, but a small stone is better than no stone! Smile
Happy harvest moon to as well!
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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Sun May 27, 2012 9:59 pm

A project that I will hopefully be able to do in the next weeks or months it the one that is posted in this thread. It is the only success posted that I know of besides what Nick has taught us.


It is a very easy process and could be very promising. An alkahest that dissolves gold produced in just a day. And if all goes right I might know a way to multiply it too. I will just take it one step at a time. If it dissolves gold as the first poster's did, I will take that as a very good sign and move forward.


Back in the day when we were active here I bought (3) 1 pound bags of cream of tartar, (about $50 with shipping). I was going to wait until getting Nick's Volpierre notes to do any work but with such an awesome opportunity here with tartar I came to the light and decided to try it. It still have alot of equipment to make first though.




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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:05 pm

Some progress on my distillation setup..


Starting materials:



Got some high temperature silicone for the hot parts:



Here are the inner parts being put together: a large coffee can fits perfectly over the hot plate burners you can get at Wal-Greens..



Had some glass tubing left over so I am making a sweet drip tube:



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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:48 am

Bluefloor,

Great homemade style setup, very inventive! Keep posting pics if you can,
as so much is found in them, like Alchemic paintings of the past.

Good luck with your adventure.
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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:00 pm

I remember when this post was first created in 2009....this post is a very important post for those who want to get to creating some medicines
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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:31 pm

For the sake of completeness i will post here the information that the Author of this thread TheFool posted at another forum about his final conclusion about this Tartar Alkahest.


Summary-conclusion of my work on tartar
It has been a long time since I said sth on this forum, primarily due to my abstinence from lab work (temporary I hope). This doesn't mean I don't observe the forum but socializing is not my best and my free time little.

I want here to write my conclusions about tartar distillation after all this work I did.
First, I was expecting to isolate an Alkahest out of tartar, able to "dissolve" gold. I was based mainly on Robert Bartlett's and Jean Dubuis writings. At first, things went well and in line with the books, I have obtained a black oil, a yellow oil and a transparent liquid (Alkahest according to Bartlett) after the proper purification. But as for their usage, Bartlett's and Dubuis' writings were useless and mistaken.

Supossedly, the Alkahest is used to extract the sulfur of minerals or metals after digestion with them and one can see this because its color changes to red. This happens (as you can see in the photos of the pdf I have attached) but there is no need to put a mineral or metal in the "Alkahest". Even when digested alone by itself (inside glass flask) and then evaporated, it will produce the same red oil (some kind of polymerization?).

I found out the hard way that this is not an Alkahest. I even e-mailed Bartlett with my observations but I guess that he couldn't help with that or didn't have explanation.

A second thing I would like to clarify, is about the "magnetic gold" observations I did and posted about. It is an artifact and I was fooled. This gold leaf I used behaves magnetically when heated strongly no matter if you use "Alkahest" or not. I suspect the glue for this effect as Aleilius has guessed some posts before. Maybe it contains iron oxalate.

For anyone moving on this path, here are some lab pics:

Tartar work.pdf

The best path for me now is to stick to old recipes and attempt to join together the mercury, sulfur and salt .. as always ...


Direct link to other forum where the TheFool posted this:
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?539-Crude-Tartar-Distillation/page3
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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:42 pm

The oil of tartar is not entirely useless. not only can it be useful but the process to create it is also very useful to understand... as it helped me understand a lot

whether its the alcahest or not is debatable... but at the same time... most if not all the terms in alchemy whether used in 1 or 2 ways

"using 1 word with many meanings" and "using many words but having one meaning"

it is to my understanding (I may be wrong) that not only were alcahest and philosophical mercury interchangeable with some people (not paracelsus because he invented it based off of the fact alkali is used) but also that all of these alchemical solvents can infact dissolve gold confused am I wrong here or what?

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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:13 pm

Yes TP thanks, after talking with you I will be moving on to another method.

SunWukong, Yes I would say after my learning from Nick's much research that if you have "the" alkahest you have something that will dissolve gold. And the same with philisophical mercury. That is just my understanding from him I have delved too deeply into the sages to see how these references line up. But until I do I trust Nick's work. Wink I like those uses of the words, now to just make it.


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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:43 pm

Oh ok I see, well, hmm, I just feel like a lot of you guys would have made it by now...I was reading the forum but on jan 2010 I was hospitalized and the meds they put me on had me brain dead for one year and a half basically... so I know I missed some stuff

but the dew process could take (i think) several months? and the alcahest from potash and lime could be made (im guessing with the day or at least the week)

The one thing I'd like to ask nick if I could is what is his take on "The matter of the stone" if there is a thread on that I have no idea where it is alien
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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:47 pm

I remember reading Nick mention more than once this alkahest, i think he said once that he obtained the alkahest from the cream of tartar, and that this kind of distillation was not good for the glass because of the high heat needed. I havent tried it so have no practical experience to share.
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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:36 am

SunWukong wrote:

The one thing I'd like to ask nick if I could is what is his take on "The matter of the stone" if there is a thread on that I have no idea where it is alien

What specifically are you asking? Like what kind of matter it is made of?
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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:13 am

Its 1 of the 2 major secrets of the philosophers.... the matter of the stone...

they say, everywhere it can be found, both the poor and the rich have it, its the most vile thing on earth, etc... Question

its one of the secrets of the stone, if you need book references for this too I will be glad to grab them for you bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Spirit of Tartar   Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:23 am

"Rosarium Philosophorum (part 1)"


that our stone is compounded of four elements, both rich and poor have it, and it is found in every place, it is likened to all things and is also compounded of body, soul and spirit and it is altered from nature into nature even to the last degree of his perfection.


Malchamech: The Stone which is necessary in this work is of a thing having life. You shall find this Stone everywhere, in plains, mountains and in waters, and both the poor and the rich have it. It is most cheap and most dear, it increaseth of flask and blood, and most precious to the man who hath it and knoweth it.

"Crasselame - The Light coming out of the Darkness"

if
the matter is unique, just like the fire? Yes, matter is unique, it is
everywhere, and the poor can have it as well as the rich. It is unknown to
everybody, and everybody has it before the eyes; it is despised like mud by
the vulgar ignorant, and is sold at a cheap price; but it is precious to
the philosopher who knows its real value.


there are more quote ESPECIALLY in the R.A.M.S.
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